29.01.2012 - 07:29
Paleoclimatologists Call Past Warm Periods "Optimums" Any AGW Alarmist Eco-socialists Know The Definition of The Word "Optimum" ? ? ?
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others oftotalitarian bent, use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over
time to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against the
people that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply them
to other things or people.
"It doesn't matter what all the major dictionaries say. Words will
mean what we say they mean."
We see an excellent example of the one of the aspects of this tactic
with our comrade AGWFacts. He takes the word "Alarmist" which is what
the AGW Eco-sicialists are... and applies it to the skeptics...
calling them "Alarmist".
Ergo.... "Optimum" will no longer mean what all the major
dictionaries say it means. It will instead mean exactly what the AGW
Eco-socialists say it means.
29.01.2012 - 07:34
On Jan 28, 2:140pm, "erschroedin...@gmail.com"
<erschroedin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:100am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
> 11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Cat=
oni"
> <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
> > warmer past climates ? ?
> It means peak periods to me. 0However, in general, optimization theor=
y
> deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
> are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect =
to
> all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
When you optimize a system, you might be trying to find the maximum or
the minimum. 0Maximum yield of product for example, or minimum amount
of impurity.
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over
time to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against
the
people that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply
them
to other things or people.
"It doesn't matter what all the major dictionaries say. Words will
mean what we say they mean."
We see an excellent example of one of the aspects of this tactic
with our comrade AGWFacts. He takes the word "Alarmist", which is
what
the AGW Eco-sicialists are... and applies it to the skeptics...
calling them "Alarmist". He's been doing this for some time now.
Hoping that continued reptition of this tactic will take effect.
.. "Optimum" will no longer mean what all the major
dictionaries say it means. It will instead mean exactly what the AGW
Eco-socialists say it means.
<erschroedin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:100am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
> 11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Cat=
oni"
> <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
> > warmer past climates ? ?
> It means peak periods to me. 0However, in general, optimization theor=
y
> deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
> are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect =
to
> all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
When you optimize a system, you might be trying to find the maximum or
the minimum. 0Maximum yield of product for example, or minimum amount
of impurity.
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over
time to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against
the
people that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply
them
to other things or people.
"It doesn't matter what all the major dictionaries say. Words will
mean what we say they mean."
We see an excellent example of one of the aspects of this tactic
with our comrade AGWFacts. He takes the word "Alarmist", which is
what
the AGW Eco-sicialists are... and applies it to the skeptics...
calling them "Alarmist". He's been doing this for some time now.
Hoping that continued reptition of this tactic will take effect.
.. "Optimum" will no longer mean what all the major
dictionaries say it means. It will instead mean exactly what the AGW
Eco-socialists say it means.
29.01.2012 - 07:46
Earl Evleth posted... re: Optimum
"It means peak periods to me."
By "peak" you mean the best most favourable... right?
"However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect to
all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima."
Wrong group. There are other groups for discussing
mathematical theory.
Earl, do you agree with the list of dictionaries here ?
Or do you have your own belief as to what the word means ?
And what do all the major dictionaries say "Optimum" means
Earl ? ?
I suppose you could get in touch with them and try to correct
them.
-------The warmer times.... were always better than the cooler
times -------
"It means peak periods to me."
By "peak" you mean the best most favourable... right?
"However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect to
all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima."
Wrong group. There are other groups for discussing
mathematical theory.
Earl, do you agree with the list of dictionaries here ?
Or do you have your own belief as to what the word means ?
And what do all the major dictionaries say "Optimum" means
Earl ? ?
I suppose you could get in touch with them and try to correct
them.
-------The warmer times.... were always better than the cooler
times -------
29.01.2012 - 07:49
Red Acer posted:
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
29.01.2012 - 07:59
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:00:10 -0500, "James" <kingkongg@iglou.com>
wrote:
"Red Acer" <redRed@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jg1gah$t0h$1@speranza.aioe.org
On 28/01/12 17:37, James wrote:
"Catoni" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to
describe warmer past climates ? ?
-Syn. ideal, perfect, optimal.
I recerntly asked what the global temperature should be. I never got
an answer from anyone.
I'd like the global temp. to be such that the winter in England is
only 1 month long instead of 4. Can you fix it ?
Call Michael Mann. He'll draw a graph for you that will show it's
already that way.
He is actually Dr. Michael Mann. He will not draw a graph for you. See
James you cut and paste and make crap up. The graph is real and
verified and 2 separate investigations verified it. It is old history
and the rest of the world has moved on. Oh you pasted a thing about
global cooling. Want to make a wager that you are wrong?
wrote:
"Red Acer" <redRed@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jg1gah$t0h$1@speranza.aioe.org
On 28/01/12 17:37, James wrote:
"Catoni" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to
describe warmer past climates ? ?
-Syn. ideal, perfect, optimal.
I recerntly asked what the global temperature should be. I never got
an answer from anyone.
I'd like the global temp. to be such that the winter in England is
only 1 month long instead of 4. Can you fix it ?
Call Michael Mann. He'll draw a graph for you that will show it's
already that way.
He is actually Dr. Michael Mann. He will not draw a graph for you. See
James you cut and paste and make crap up. The graph is real and
verified and 2 separate investigations verified it. It is old history
and the rest of the world has moved on. Oh you pasted a thing about
global cooling. Want to make a wager that you are wrong?
29.01.2012 - 13:53
On 29/01/12 06:34, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 28, 2:14 pm, "erschroedin...@gmail.com"
<erschroedin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:10 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Catoni"
<caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
It means peak periods to me. However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect to
all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
When you optimize a system, you might be trying to find the maximum or
the minimum. Maximum yield of product for example, or minimum amount
of impurity.
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over
time to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against
the
people that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply
them
to other things or people.
"It doesn't matter what all the major dictionaries say. Words will
mean what we say they mean."
We see an excellent example of one of the aspects of this tactic
with our comrade AGWFacts. He takes the word "Alarmist", which is
what
the AGW Eco-sicialists are... and applies it to the skeptics...
calling them "Alarmist". He's been doing this for some time now.
Hoping that continued reptition of this tactic will take effect.
.. "Optimum" will no longer mean what all the major
dictionaries say it means. It will instead mean exactly what the AGW
Eco-socialists say it means.
Forget dictionaries. It's how a word is used by groups of people that
matters.
If you use the word "work" in physics is has a different mean to the
'everyday' use.
In science optimum is used when referring to the maximum and minimum of
a function. This is not a big deal - just accept it.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channels&q=science+use+of+optimum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk
"3.1 Can Iteration be Used to Obtain a “Local” Optimum? The matrix B =
A(q) is a fixed point of the equation B = I⊕(A⊗B), which suggests the
following iterative ..."
You will find this usage evrywhere in science and maths.
On Jan 28, 2:14 pm, "erschroedin...@gmail.com"
<erschroedin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:10 am, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0...@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Catoni"
<caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
It means peak periods to me. However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect to
all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
When you optimize a system, you might be trying to find the maximum or
the minimum. Maximum yield of product for example, or minimum amount
of impurity.
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over
time to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against
the
people that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply
them
to other things or people.
"It doesn't matter what all the major dictionaries say. Words will
mean what we say they mean."
We see an excellent example of one of the aspects of this tactic
with our comrade AGWFacts. He takes the word "Alarmist", which is
what
the AGW Eco-sicialists are... and applies it to the skeptics...
calling them "Alarmist". He's been doing this for some time now.
Hoping that continued reptition of this tactic will take effect.
.. "Optimum" will no longer mean what all the major
dictionaries say it means. It will instead mean exactly what the AGW
Eco-socialists say it means.
Forget dictionaries. It's how a word is used by groups of people that
matters.
If you use the word "work" in physics is has a different mean to the
'everyday' use.
In science optimum is used when referring to the maximum and minimum of
a function. This is not a big deal - just accept it.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channels&q=science+use+of+optimum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk
"3.1 Can Iteration be Used to Obtain a “Local” Optimum? The matrix B =
A(q) is a fixed point of the equation B = I⊕(A⊗B), which suggests the
following iterative ..."
You will find this usage evrywhere in science and maths.
29.01.2012 - 13:56
On 29/01/12 05:43, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:04 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 28/01/12 15:31, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 28, 8:03 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 28/01/12 08:17, Catoni wrote:
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
Because they are scientists and they use maths. I guess you've never
taken any basics calculus courses.
http://www.economics.utoronto.ca/osborne/MathTutorial/LONF.HTM
Silly.. silly idiot.... paleoclimatologists don't use mathematical
terms to describe climate periods. The warmer periods are called
CLIMACTIC optimums... See that little word.. Climactic ? ?
Yes, I see climactic. You are getting a bit CLIMACTIC! aren't you. Did
you you mean climatic optimum- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh... please excuse me. Tired after putting in three sixteeen hour
days in a row With little sleep.
You never make any typing or grammer or spelling mistakes do
you? ? ?
Yes I do - all the time - I was only joking :)
.
.
.
.
.
On Jan 28, 11:04 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 28/01/12 15:31, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 28, 8:03 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 28/01/12 08:17, Catoni wrote:
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
Because they are scientists and they use maths. I guess you've never
taken any basics calculus courses.
http://www.economics.utoronto.ca/osborne/MathTutorial/LONF.HTM
Silly.. silly idiot.... paleoclimatologists don't use mathematical
terms to describe climate periods. The warmer periods are called
CLIMACTIC optimums... See that little word.. Climactic ? ?
Yes, I see climactic. You are getting a bit CLIMACTIC! aren't you. Did
you you mean climatic optimum- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh... please excuse me. Tired after putting in three sixteeen hour
days in a row With little sleep.
You never make any typing or grammer or spelling mistakes do
you? ? ?
Yes I do - all the time - I was only joking :)
.
.
.
.
.
29.01.2012 - 14:00
On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:
Red Acer posted:
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
Red Acer posted:
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
29.01.2012 - 18:24
"gordo" <grmerrick@shaw.ca.remove> wrote in message
news:47r9i79mme5ev51nbokt6gm3v3avk42gvq@4ax.com
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:00:10 -0500, "James" <kingkongg@iglou.com>
wrote:
"Red Acer" <redRed@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jg1gah$t0h$1@speranza.aioe.org
On 28/01/12 17:37, James wrote:
"Catoni" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to
describe warmer past climates ? ?
-Syn. ideal, perfect, optimal.
I recerntly asked what the global temperature should be. I never
got an answer from anyone.
I'd like the global temp. to be such that the winter in England is
only 1 month long instead of 4. Can you fix it ?
Call Michael Mann. He'll draw a graph for you that will show it's
already that way.
He is actually Dr. Michael Mann. He will not draw a graph for you. See
James you cut and paste and make crap up. The graph is real and
verified and 2 separate investigations verified it. It is old history
and the rest of the world has moved on. Oh you pasted a thing about
global cooling. Want to make a wager that you are wrong?
You've lied again and want me to bet with you. Not too smart. Shoo.
news:47r9i79mme5ev51nbokt6gm3v3avk42gvq@4ax.com
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:00:10 -0500, "James" <kingkongg@iglou.com>
wrote:
"Red Acer" <redRed@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jg1gah$t0h$1@speranza.aioe.org
On 28/01/12 17:37, James wrote:
"Catoni" <catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
Well ? ? ? Do you know the definition of the world
"Optimum" ? ?
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to
describe warmer past climates ? ?
-Syn. ideal, perfect, optimal.
I recerntly asked what the global temperature should be. I never
got an answer from anyone.
I'd like the global temp. to be such that the winter in England is
only 1 month long instead of 4. Can you fix it ?
Call Michael Mann. He'll draw a graph for you that will show it's
already that way.
He is actually Dr. Michael Mann. He will not draw a graph for you. See
James you cut and paste and make crap up. The graph is real and
verified and 2 separate investigations verified it. It is old history
and the rest of the world has moved on. Oh you pasted a thing about
global cooling. Want to make a wager that you are wrong?
You've lied again and want me to bet with you. Not too smart. Shoo.
30.01.2012 - 01:32
On Jan 29, 8:000am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
>> Ubuntu Dictionary :-
>> "greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances=
"- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? 0 Thanks. 0I'=
d
> like to see it.
> 0 How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
discussion.
In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
growth of animal and plant life.
Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
this planet since life first came into being.
Ergo: Optimum.
On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
>> Ubuntu Dictionary :-
>> "greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances=
"- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
> Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? 0 Thanks. 0I'=
d
> like to see it.
> 0 How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
discussion.
In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
growth of animal and plant life.
Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
this planet since life first came into being.
Ergo: Optimum.
30.01.2012 - 11:44
On 30/01/12 00:32, Catoni wrote:
On Jan 29, 8:00 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
discussion.
In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
growth of animal and plant life.
Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
this planet since life first came into being.
Ergo: Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."
On Jan 29, 8:00 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
Ubuntu Dictionary :-
"greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstances"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? Thanks. I'd
like to see it.
How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
"Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set of
solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optimal
solution among all possible solutions."
Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
discussion.
In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
growth of animal and plant life.
Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
this planet since life first came into being.
Ergo: Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."
31.01.2012 - 09:15
On Jan 30, 5:440am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On 30/01/12 00:32, Catoni wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:00 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
>>>> Ubuntu Dictionary :-
>>>> "greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstanc=
es"- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? 0 Thanks. 0=
I'd
>>> like to see it.
>>> 0 How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
>> We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
>> words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
>> "Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
>> A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
>> that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set o=
f
>> solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optim=
al
>> solution among all possible solutions."
> Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
> discussion.
> 0 In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
> growth of animal and plant life.
> 0 Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
> this planet since life first came into being.
> 0 Ergo: 0Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a 0Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I like the "...for many..." part.... ;)
However, for ALL of life on Earth, the colder periods were deadliest
periods for plant and animal life. The warmer, over all, has always
been better. Even something like the Little Ice Age was a terrible
experience for the people and livestock that tried to live through it
in Europe and North America. Shorter growing seasons with failed
harvests, livestock herds decimated, early frosts, late Springs, long
colder winters... famine on a massive scale with increased spread of
disease due to the closer confines of being indoors longer with
others.. more deaths due to exposure.
Sound better to you than having warmer times ? ?
If you doubt that... then just compare the amount ot plant and
animal life in the Arctic and Antarctic to plant and animal life in
temperate and tropical latitudes.
That is why paleoclimatologists NEVER use the word Optimum to
describe the colder periods in Earth's history.
In Paleoclimatology, the word Optimum, as used to describe periods in
Earth's climate history, does not mean something in mathematical
theory.
It means exactly what all the major dictionaries in the English
language say it means, as noted above.
Attempts to twist the meaning, or introduce other diversions from
mathematics, can not change that fact.
On 30/01/12 00:32, Catoni wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:00 am, Red Acer <red...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 29/01/12 06:49, Catoni wrote:> Red Acer posted:
>>>> Ubuntu Dictionary :-
>>>> "greatest degree, or largest amount possible under given circumstanc=
es"- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Can you give us an link to your Ubuntu dictionary ? ? 0 Thanks. 0=
I'd
>>> like to see it.
>>> 0 How would you say it compares to the major dictionaries ? ?
>> We are talking about how scientists use the word. Very many everyday
>> words have a different meaning in science and maths. Just accept it.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_optimum
>> "Local optimum is a term in applied mathematics and computer science.
>> A local optimum of a combinatorial optimization problem is a solution
>> that is optimal (either maximal or minimal) within a neighboring set o=
f
>> solutions. This is in contrast to a global optimum, which is the optim=
al
>> solution among all possible solutions."
> Too bad we aren't talking about math. There are other groups for that
> discussion.
> 0 In Paleoclimatology, an optimum period is the best period for the
> growth of animal and plant life.
> 0 Warmer periods have always been best for animal and plant life on
> this planet since life first came into being.
> 0 Ergo: 0Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a 0Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I like the "...for many..." part.... ;)
However, for ALL of life on Earth, the colder periods were deadliest
periods for plant and animal life. The warmer, over all, has always
been better. Even something like the Little Ice Age was a terrible
experience for the people and livestock that tried to live through it
in Europe and North America. Shorter growing seasons with failed
harvests, livestock herds decimated, early frosts, late Springs, long
colder winters... famine on a massive scale with increased spread of
disease due to the closer confines of being indoors longer with
others.. more deaths due to exposure.
Sound better to you than having warmer times ? ?
If you doubt that... then just compare the amount ot plant and
animal life in the Arctic and Antarctic to plant and animal life in
temperate and tropical latitudes.
That is why paleoclimatologists NEVER use the word Optimum to
describe the colder periods in Earth's history.
In Paleoclimatology, the word Optimum, as used to describe periods in
Earth's climate history, does not mean something in mathematical
theory.
It means exactly what all the major dictionaries in the English
language say it means, as noted above.
Attempts to twist the meaning, or introduce other diversions from
mathematics, can not change that fact.
12.02.2012 - 17:33
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:44:05 +0000, Red Acer wrote:
Ergo: Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."
Optimum means optimum, which is different from just extremum.
Despite your above cite, it appears that the eocene optimum was actually
an overall optimum for plant growth, exemple:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12677065
High plant diversity in Eocene South America: evidence from Patagonia.
Wilf P, Cúneo NR, Johnson KR, Hicks JF, Wing SL, Obradovich JD.
Source
Department of Geosciences, Pennsylvania State University, University
Park, PA 16802, USA. pwilf@geosc.psu.edu
Abstract
Tropical South America has the highest plant diversity of any region
today, but this richness is usually characterized as a geologically
recent development (Neogene or Pleistocene). From caldera-lake beds
exposed at Laguna del Hunco in Patagonia, Argentina, paleolatitude
approximately 47 degrees S, we report 102 leaf species. Radioisotopic and
paleomagnetic analyses indicate that the flora was deposited 52 million
years ago, the time of the early Eocene climatic optimum, when tropical
plant taxa and warm, equable climates reached middle latitudes of both
hemispheres. Adjusted for sample size, observed richness exceeds that of
any other Eocene leaf flora, supporting an ancient history of high plant
diversity in warm areas of South America.
Ergo: Optimum.
Here's an example of usage on a Paleoclimatology education website :-
http://serc.carleton.edu/eet/deep_sea_sediments/case_study.html
"However, for many of Earth's species, the *Eocene* *Optimum* *was*
*anything* *but* *optimal*! During this period of time, both the land
and deep ocean temperatures rose between 6 and 9 degrees Celsius. The
PETM warming was triggered by a rapid release of greenhouse gases into
the atmosphere, most likely from biological sources. The CO2
concentration at this time is estimated to have been as high as 2000
parts per million. Some scientists hypothesize that CH4 (methane) may
have come from methane hydrates and been rapidly converted to CO2 in the
ocean and atmosphere."
Optimum means optimum, which is different from just extremum.
Despite your above cite, it appears that the eocene optimum was actually
an overall optimum for plant growth, exemple:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12677065
High plant diversity in Eocene South America: evidence from Patagonia.
Wilf P, Cúneo NR, Johnson KR, Hicks JF, Wing SL, Obradovich JD.
Source
Department of Geosciences, Pennsylvania State University, University
Park, PA 16802, USA. pwilf@geosc.psu.edu
Abstract
Tropical South America has the highest plant diversity of any region
today, but this richness is usually characterized as a geologically
recent development (Neogene or Pleistocene). From caldera-lake beds
exposed at Laguna del Hunco in Patagonia, Argentina, paleolatitude
approximately 47 degrees S, we report 102 leaf species. Radioisotopic and
paleomagnetic analyses indicate that the flora was deposited 52 million
years ago, the time of the early Eocene climatic optimum, when tropical
plant taxa and warm, equable climates reached middle latitudes of both
hemispheres. Adjusted for sample size, observed richness exceeds that of
any other Eocene leaf flora, supporting an ancient history of high plant
diversity in warm areas of South America.
12.02.2012 - 17:35
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:10:27 +0100, Earl Evleth wrote:
On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com,
"Catoni"
<catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
It means peak periods to me. However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect
to all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
Note the use of optimum instead of extremum or maximum.
On 28/01/12 9:17, in article
11b4681e-6512-42e2-a239-402e6b2e0e79@eb6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com,
"Catoni"
<catoni52@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Why do you think Paleoclimatologists would use that word to describe
warmer past climates ? ?
It means peak periods to me. However, in general, optimization theory
deals with critical points on a hypersurface with the minima and maxima
are characterized by first derivatives which are all zero with respect
to all variables. The second derivatives defines maxima or minima.
Note the use of optimum instead of extremum or maximum.
12.02.2012 - 17:40
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:29:11 -0800, Catoni wrote:
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent, use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over time
to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against the people
that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply them
to other things or people.
The custom to build a special vocabulary for internal usage, with
ordinary words used with a non usual meaning, is also a characteristic of
cults, pseudo-religions and pseudo-sciences.
One of the major tactics that leftists/Marxists and others of
totalitarian bent, use in their attempts at "Building Socialism" or
undermining the established order, has always been to "Change the
language, or the direction that language and words are used". Over time
to make words mean other than what they mean, or used against the people
that use them.
Alter the meaning of words, or turn the words around to apply them
to other things or people.
The custom to build a special vocabulary for internal usage, with
ordinary words used with a non usual meaning, is also a characteristic of
cults, pseudo-religions and pseudo-sciences.
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