#NY pig punches woman in face for showing court order

On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman-in-
face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/

Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For Challenging
NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
November 17, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.

After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from Zuccotti
Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order telling police
to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead, police ignored the
order and sealed the park. Protesters then responded by approaching the
park and demanded to be allowed back in. But the NYPD would not have none
of it. They refused to comply with the demands of the court and the
protesters.

Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court order in
front of them. That’s when it got ugly. One protester jumped inside the
park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then appeared at the
barricade and with a copy of the court order, began demanding that police
do their job and allow the protesters back into the park. Unprovoked, an
officer struck the woman in the face knocking her back onto the ground.
She sat stunned and she appeared to be bleeding. Courageously, she got up
and resumed protesting. The officer didn’t appear to be remorseful over
punching an unarmed non-threatening woman.


Here’s the video:

Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and a
bully. It isn’t right for any man to hit a woman. The police clearly
don’t care what they do to protesters. It’s a game to them. I would love
to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt. Shamar Thomas. But the NYPD
is too cowardly for that. They’d rather attack women instead.

The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting the
police office.

IN the situation as portrayed in the video, the police were fulfilling
their instructions. The proper, and civil thing for the protesters to
have done, would have been for their attorney to present the police
scene commander with a copy of the "order". Had they done that, the
police would have had no option but to honor it. To wave a piece of
paper in the face of a street cop and demand that he disobey his orders
is beyond stupid.

David Hartung <david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Thu 17 Nov 2011 11:45:07p

On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman-in-
face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/

Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For Challenging
NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
November 17, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.

After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from Zuccotti
Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order telling police
to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead, police ignored the
order and sealed the park. Protesters then responded by approaching the
park and demanded to be allowed back in. But the NYPD would not have
none of it. They refused to comply with the demands of the court and
the protesters.

Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court order
in front of them. That’s when it got ugly. One protester jumped
inside the park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then appeared
at the barricade and with a copy of the court order, began demanding
that police do their job and allow the protesters back into the park.
Unprovoked, an officer struck the woman in the face knocking her back
onto the ground. She sat stunned and she appeared to be bleeding.
Courageously, she got up and resumed protesting. The officer didn’t
appear to be remorseful over punching an unarmed non-threatening woman.


Here’s the video:

Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and a
bully. It isn’t right for any man to hit a woman. The police clearly
don’t care what they do to protesters. It’s a game to them. I would
love to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt. Shamar Thomas. But
the NYPD is too cowardly for that. They’d rather attack women
instead.

The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting the
police office.

Your willful right-wing blindness would indicate that.

In NO WAY could it ever be interpreted that the woman was assaulting the
officer.

The fact is, if that woman was holding a legal court order, ANYTHING the
police did to block or prevent her from entering was an assault by them

It is clear that the flag carrier was assaulted, by the way, at the beginning
of the video.


IN the situation as portrayed in the video, the police were fulfilling
their instructions.

When that white shirted (commanding) officer was informed of that the people
had a court order, he should have contacted his own superior or had the
authority himself to recognize a legal court order. If he doesn't fulfill
that duty, he should (1) lose his job and (2) be held legally liable in the
first degree by any actions in violation of that court order committed by
officers under his command.

In any way, shape, and form, police officers cannot claim ignorance NOR THE
NUREMBERG DEFENSE that they were "just following orders."

Those police officers---EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM----swear first and
foremost to uphold the Constitution of the United States----NOT WHATEVER P.C.
Ray Kelly feels like at breakfast time. Any breach they make in upholding
the Constitution they should understand will COST THEM THEIR JOBS and
penalties under law amounting to fines and prison time.

The proper, and civil thing for the protesters to
have done, would have been for their attorney to present the police
scene commander with a copy of the "order".

Those protesters have NO OBLIGATION to have an attorney represent them. They
were holding valid court orders. Just because they do not conform to your
particularly disturbed idea of what a process server looks like does not mean
that they have to present the order according to you.

Had they done that, the
police would have had no option but to honor it.

NO!!! The police have a duty to obey a court order presented in the
legitimate manner, which is to produce a document with a judge's signature.

It appears the protesters did JUST that!!

The police either accept the order, or politely tell the protesters that they
need a few minutes to verify that order.

To wave a piece of
paper in the face of a street cop and demand that he disobey his orders
is beyond stupid.

They would have LOVED your silly ass at Nuremberg, I can tell.


--
Whereas it has long been known and declared that
the poor have no right to the property of the rich,
I wish it also to be known and declared that the rich
have no right to the property of the poor.
-- John Ruskin

Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 12:35:55a

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:28:01 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:

David Hartung <david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Thu 17 Nov 2011 11:45:07p

On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman-i
n-
face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/

Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For
Challenging NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
November 17, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.

After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from
Zuccotti Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order
telling police to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead,
police ignored the order and sealed the park. Protesters then
responded by approaching the park and demanded to be allowed back in.
But the NYPD would not have none of it. They refused to comply with
the demands of the court and the protesters.

Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court
order in front of them. That’s when it got ugly. One protester
jumped inside the park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then
appeared at the barricade and with a copy of the court order, began
demanding that police do their job and allow the protesters back into
the park. Unprovoked, an officer struck the woman in the face
knocking her back onto the ground. She sat stunned and she appeared
to be bleeding. Courageously, she got up and resumed protesting. The
officer didn’t appear to be remorseful over punching an unarmed
non-threatening woman.


Here’s the video:

Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and a
bully. It isn’t right for any man to hit a woman. The police
clearly don’t care what they do to protesters. It’s a game to
them. I would love to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt.
Shamar Thomas. But the NYPD is too cowardly for that. They’d rather
attack women instead.

The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting the
police office.

Your willful right-wing blindness would indicate that.

In NO WAY could it ever be interpreted that the woman was assaulting the
officer.

The fact is, if that woman was holding a legal court order, ANYTHING the
police did to block or prevent her from entering was an assault by them

A court order does not give a person the right to interfere with a
policeman..

If that court order is valid, then ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that police
officer does in violation of that order puts his job in IMMEDIATE JEOPARDY
and makes him subject to civil and criminal penalties, you imbecile.
There is no Nuremberg defense. That officer's first duty, you idiot, is
to the Constitution. Not to a white shirt. Nor to Ray Kelly. Nor to
Michael Bloomberg.



--
Whereas it has long been known and declared that
the poor have no right to the property of the rich,
I wish it also to be known and declared that the rich
have no right to the property of the poor.
-- John Ruskin

David Hartung <david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 12:47:26a

On 11/17/2011 04:28 PM, Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:

Those protesters have NO OBLIGATION to have an attorney represent them.
They were holding valid court orders. Just because they do not
conform to your particularly disturbed idea of what a process server
looks like does not mean that they have to present the order according
to you.

How do you know that the papers they were holding were legitimate court
orders?

Which is why the officers could tell those at the park entrance they need
but a few minutes to verify the validity of the order, and I am sure those
holding the order would have granted that time.

The ONUS is on the officers to prove the documents are invalid, NOT for the
protesters to prove they are valid in a way BEYOND what they already did,
which was to present what appears to be official documents with a judge's
signature or legal facsimile.

Alternatively, the officers, in complying with immediate necessity with what
appears to be a legitimate court order, could have allowed those holding the
order that they could enter the park immediately, but warned those entering
that if they discovered the order was invalid (including falsified or
counterfeit) in any way, that everyone would in the park would be subject to
IMMEDIATE ARREST and booking. Another reason anyone entering the park,
whether protester or not, could allow officers time to verify the order and
to stop an order of barring entry.

Police officers are or should be trained at recognizing valid court orders
anyway. If they are not, they need to get jobs in a field more appropriate
to their status, such as being go-fors or private security (muscle) for Koch
Brothers astroturf organizations.



--
Whereas it has long been known and declared that
the poor have no right to the property of the rich,
I wish it also to be known and declared that the rich
have no right to the property of the poor.
-- John Ruskin

Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 01:11:38a

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:47:06 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:

Steve <stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 12:35:55a

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:28:01 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
Patriot" <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:

David Hartung <david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Thu 17 Nov 2011 11:45:07p

On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman
-i n-
face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/

Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For
Challenging NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
November 17, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.

After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from
Zuccotti Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order
telling police to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead,
police ignored the order and sealed the park. Protesters then
responded by approaching the park and demanded to be allowed back
in. But the NYPD would not have none of it. They refused to comply
with the demands of the court and the protesters.

Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court
order in front of them. That’s when it got ugly. One protester
jumped inside the park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then
appeared at the barricade and with a copy of the court order, began
demanding that police do their job and allow the protesters back
into the park. Unprovoked, an officer struck the woman in the face
knocking her back onto the ground. She sat stunned and she appeared
to be bleeding. Courageously, she got up and resumed protesting.
The officer didn’t appear to be remorseful over punching an
unarmed non-threatening woman.


Here’s the video:

Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and
a bully. It isn’t right for any man to hit a woman. The police
clearly don’t care what they do to protesters. It’s a game to
them. I would love to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt.
Shamar Thomas. But the NYPD is too cowardly for that. They’d
rather attack women instead.

The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting
the police office.

Your willful right-wing blindness would indicate that.

In NO WAY could it ever be interpreted that the woman was assaulting
the officer.

The fact is, if that woman was holding a legal court order, ANYTHING
the police did to block or prevent her from entering was an assault by
them

A court order does not give a person the right to interfere with a
policeman..

If that court order is valid, then ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that police
officer does in violation of that order puts his job in IMMEDIATE
JEOPARDY and makes him subject to civil and criminal penalties, you
imbecile.

<LOL> Hey, didja call the cops on 'em?

There is no Nuremberg defense. That officer's first duty, you idiot, is
to the Constitution. Not to a white shirt. Nor to Ray Kelly. Nor to
Michael Bloomberg.

<chuckle> Waving a copy of a court order around and trying to force
their way in is not the way to do it, Dummy. That'd be like me
getting a court order to evict a renter and then physically dragging
them out into the street.

That's why those eviction orders usually specify the manner in which you
can evict the renter, you stupid ass!

An eviction order very likely tells you in the most explicit terms that
you cannot drag a renter out of the house yourself, or it writes the
statute---citing code and section---the means by which you can enforce the
order, which in the CIVILIZED (usually blue) of the 50
states---specifically means you yourself cannot enforce the order with
your fists or a shotgun or by another other means other than to petition
the court again for a sheriff or police agency, or to petition an
enforcement authority directly.

Of course, since you yourself clearly show that you have never been a
landlord of much of anything except the dog you probably abuse, you would
not know that.

You really don't know shit, do you?



--
Whereas it has long been known and declared that
the poor have no right to the property of the rich,
I wish it also to be known and declared that the rich
have no right to the property of the poor.
-- John Ruskin

On 11/17/2011 04:47 PM, Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
Steve<stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 12:35:55a

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:28:01 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
Patriot"<FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:

David Hartung<david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Thu 17 Nov 2011 11:45:07p

On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman-i
n-
face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/

Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For
Challenging NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
November 17, 2011
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.

After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from
Zuccotti Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order
telling police to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead,
police ignored the order and sealed the park. Protesters then
responded by approaching the park and demanded to be allowed back in.
But the NYPD would not have none of it. They refused to comply with
the demands of the court and the protesters.

Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court
order in front of them. That’s when it got ugly. One protester
jumped inside the park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then
appeared at the barricade and with a copy of the court order, began
demanding that police do their job and allow the protesters back into
the park. Unprovoked, an officer struck the woman in the face
knocking her back onto the ground. She sat stunned and she appeared
to be bleeding. Courageously, she got up and resumed protesting. The
officer didn’t appear to be remorseful over punching an unarmed
non-threatening woman.


Here’s the video:

Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and a
bully. It isn’t right for any man to hit a woman. The police
clearly don’t care what they do to protesters. It’s a game to
them. I would love to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt.
Shamar Thomas. But the NYPD is too cowardly for that. They’d rather
attack women instead.

The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting the
police office.

Your willful right-wing blindness would indicate that.

In NO WAY could it ever be interpreted that the woman was assaulting the
officer.

The fact is, if that woman was holding a legal court order, ANYTHING the
police did to block or prevent her from entering was an assault by them

A court order does not give a person the right to interfere with a
policeman..

If that court order is valid.

In the context of the posted video, how were the officers in question to
know that the paper being waved in their face was a valid court order?
How were they to know that these papers were not phony?

In article
<sbWdnRDkesG5CljTnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, David
Hartung says...



On 11/17/2011 04:47 PM, Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
> Steve<stevencanyon@yahooooo.com> wrote on Fri 18 Nov 2011 12:35:55a
>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:28:01 +0000 (UTC), "Winston Smith, American
>> Patriot"<FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> David Hartung<david@hotmai*l.com> wrote on Thu 17 Nov 2011 11:45:07p
>>>
>>>> On 11/17/2011 03:19 PM, 6313 Dead, 1456 since 1/20/09 wrote:
>>>>> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/17/police-officer-punches-woman-i
>>>>> n-
>>>>> face-after-raid-on-ows-for-challenging-nypd-with-court-order-video/
>>>>>
>>>>> Police Officer Punches Woman In Face After Raid On OWS For
>>>>> Challenging NYPD With Court Order (VIDEO)
>>>>> November 17, 2011
>>>>> By Stephen D. Foster Jr.
>>>>>
>>>>> A woman, after being punched in the face by an NYPD officer.
>>>>>
>>>>> After the NYPD evicted the Occupy Wall Street protesters from
>>>>> Zuccotti Park on Tuesday morning, attorneys secured a court order
>>>>> telling police to allow the protesters back into the park. Instead,
>>>>> police ignored the order and sealed the park. Protesters then
>>>>> responded by approaching the park and demanded to be allowed back in.
>>>>> But the NYPD would not have none of it. They refused to comply with
>>>>> the demands of the court and the protesters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Protesters were yelling at police and waving a copy of the court
>>>>> order in front of them. That�s when it got ugly. One protester
>>>>> jumped inside the park and retrieved an American flag. A woman then
>>>>> appeared at the barricade and with a copy of the court order, began
>>>>> demanding that police do their job and allow the protesters back into
>>>>> the park. Unprovoked, an officer struck the woman in the face
>>>>> knocking her back onto the ground. She sat stunned and she appeared
>>>>> to be bleeding. Courageously, she got up and resumed protesting. The
>>>>> officer didn�t appear to be remorseful over punching an unarmed
>>>>> non-threatening woman.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here�s the video:
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, this officer just assaulted a woman. He is a coward and a
>>>>> bully. It isn�t right for any man to hit a woman. The police
>>>>> clearly don�t care what they do to protesters. It�s a game to
>>>>> them. I would love to see that officer try to punch Marine Sgt.
>>>>> Shamar Thomas. But the NYPD is too cowardly for that. They�d rather
>>>>> attack women instead.
>>>>
>>>> The video actually seems to indicate that the woman was assaulting the
>>>> police office.
>>>
>>> Your willful right-wing blindness would indicate that.
>>>
>>> In NO WAY could it ever be interpreted that the woman was assaulting the
>>> officer.
>>>
>>> The fact is, if that woman was holding a legal court order, ANYTHING the
>>> police did to block or prevent her from entering was an assault by them
>>
>> A court order does not give a person the right to interfere with a
>> policeman..
>
> If that court order is valid.

In the context of the posted video, how were the officers in question to
know that the paper being waved in their face was a valid court order?
How were they to know that these papers were not phony?



So she deserved to get punched because the papers MAY
have been phony?

How much of a fascist ARE you anymore these days, David?

You don't even try to hide it anymore!



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