When we say that "Venus is rising in Ophiuchus" while someone could "have it elsewhere", we are speaking of two different things: one is the proper position of Venus as observable in the real sky, the other is frontal superstition.

When we say that "Venus is rising in Ophiuchus" while someone could "have
it elsewhere", we are speaking of two different things: one is the proper
position of Venus as observable in the real sky, the other is frontal
superstition.
Whoever someone mentions "twelve ascendants" has never bothered to take a
glance at the eastern horizon: no such thing there. In fact, not many
people bother to take a glance at the observable skies at all.
People get easily seduced because their mostly shallow interest lies in
themselves, not any skies, heaven, Tarot or initiation proper.
When someone speaks of "Pluto in Aries" which is utter nonsense besides
being impossibility, he is speaking out of sheer superstition. That
superstition looks OK in a disinterested or deliberately uneducated
person does not justify its fatal results: bankruptcy, divorce or having
the wrong organ cut out.