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Monkey Clumps
15.01.2011 - 01:05

Study: Warm Periods Good, Cool Periods Bad

http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

Catoni
15.01.2011 - 15:18
On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

This link might work a bit better. Great article by the way....

0
http://notrickszone.com/2011/01/14/new-esper-study-confirms-warm-periods-le=
ad-to-prosperity-cold-periods-to-death-and-misery-climate-extremes-were-gre=
ater-in-the-past/

Catoni
15.01.2011 - 15:19
On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

What is it with those "Redirect" notices ? ?


George
15.01.2011 - 20:57
On Jan 16, 3:190am, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

> Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
> and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
> any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

What is it with those "Redirect" notices ? ?

It's a new Firefox doohickey to save the lesser technically competent
from strange URLS

Earl Evleth
15.01.2011 - 21:46
On 15/01/11 20:57, in article
a23cdf7e-6edd-42cd-8d32-0f5f24557198@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, "George"
<gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans


Have you been in Death Valley in the summer, without air conditioning?

I have, 1937. Unforgetable

Never again



Monkey Clumps
15.01.2011 - 22:40
On Jan 15, 3:460pm, Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
On 15/01/11 20:57, in article
a23cdf7e-6edd-42cd-8d32-0f5f24557...@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, "Georg=
e"

<gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>>> Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to human=
s

Have you been in Death Valley in the summer, without air conditioning?

I have, 1937. 0Unforgetable

Never again

Well the name Death Valley is probably a giveaway that the conditions
will be unpleasant, if not life threatening. I suspect portions of
Siberia and Northern Canada may be equally unpleasant and life
threatening in the winter.

Tom P
16.01.2011 - 00:13
On 01/15/2011 01:05 AM, Monkey Clumps wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

The study is based on tree ring data which in turn is restricted to
Europe, a region characterized by a temperate climate.
You may be aware that only 5% of the world's population lives in
Europe, so the conclusion that that warm periods are generally
beneficial to humans is invalid. Today over half the world's population
lives in Asia.

T.

Catoni
16.01.2011 - 05:01
On Jan 15, 2:570pm, George <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
On Jan 16, 3:190am, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw
> > Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to human=
s
> > and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
> > any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

> What is it with those "Redirect" notices ? ?

It's a new Firefox doohickey to save the lesser technically competent
from strange URLS

Funny.... I use Firefox on my ASUS Eee PC netbook computer, and don't
get those "Redirct Notices

I use Internet Explorer on my desktop... and get them from certain
links in this group.

If you have an explanation for the differences.... thanks

Monkey Clumps
16.01.2011 - 18:04
On Jan 15, 6:130pm, Tom P <werot...@freent.dd> wrote:
On 01/15/2011 01:05 AM, Monkey Clumps wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

> Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
> and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
> any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

The study is based on tree ring data which in turn is restricted to
Europe, a region characterized by a temperate climate.
0 You may be aware that only 5% of the world's population lives in
Europe, so the conclusion that that warm periods are generally
beneficial to humans is invalid. 0Today over half the world's populatio=
n
lives in Asia.

T.

Don't you think the same conclusions could be extended to Asia?
Doesn't the obvious fact that frost destroys crops and warmer weather
extends growing seasons make the benefits rather apparent? Or do you
really want to make the argument that cooler periods are better? If
so, I would love to see some evidence to support such a preposterous
claim.

Desertphile
16.01.2011 - 20:29
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:46:29 +0100, Earl Evleth
<evleth@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

On 15/01/11 20:57, in article
a23cdf7e-6edd-42cd-8d32-0f5f24557198@e20g2000vbn.googlegroups.com, "George"
<gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans

Have you been in Death Valley in the summer, without air conditioning?

I lived in a cave near Death Valley for 30 months. Maybe I'll go
back some day.

I have, 1937. Unforgetable

Routinely 115f in the shade. Weee!

Never again


--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz

George
16.01.2011 - 20:39
On Jan 16, 5:010pm, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:570pm, George <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

> On Jan 16, 3:190am, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> > On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw
> > > Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to hum=
ans
> > > and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck gettin=
g
> > > any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

> > What is it with those "Redirect" notices ? ?

> It's a new Firefox doohickey to save the lesser technically competent
> from strange URLS

Funny.... 0I use Firefox on my ASUS Eee PC netbook computer, and don't
get those "Redirct Notices

0 0I use Internet Explorer on my desktop... and get them from certain
links in this group.

0 0If you have an explanation for the differences.... thanks

Dunno. Maybe an update in the Windows version. Its only been happening
in the last week or so.
If I get a moment I'll go see what they say about it

George
16.01.2011 - 21:38
On Jan 16, 5:010pm, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:570pm, George <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:

> On Jan 16, 3:190am, Catoni <caton...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> > On Jan 14, 7:050pm, Monkey Clumps <spacebrai...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > >http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw
> > > Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to hum=
ans
> > > and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck gettin=
g
> > > any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

> > What is it with those "Redirect" notices ? ?

> It's a new Firefox doohickey to save the lesser technically competent
> from strange URLS

Funny.... 0I use Firefox on my ASUS Eee PC netbook computer, and don't
get those "Redirct Notices

0 0I use Internet Explorer on my desktop... and get them from certain
links in this group.

0 0If you have an explanation for the differences.... thanks

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/02/google-redirect-notice.html

Tom P
16.01.2011 - 22:12
On 01/16/2011 06:04 PM, Monkey Clumps wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:13 pm, Tom P<werot...@freent.dd> wrote:
On 01/15/2011 01:05 AM, Monkey Clumps wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

The study is based on tree ring data which in turn is restricted to
Europe, a region characterized by a temperate climate.
You may be aware that only 5% of the world's population lives in
Europe, so the conclusion that that warm periods are generally
beneficial to humans is invalid. Today over half the world's population
lives in Asia.

T.

Don't you think the same conclusions could be extended to Asia?
Doesn't the obvious fact that frost destroys crops and warmer weather
extends growing seasons make the benefits rather apparent? Or do you
really want to make the argument that cooler periods are better? If
so, I would love to see some evidence to support such a preposterous
claim.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that frost damage is a threat to
the rice crop in countries like India or Bangladesh or Indonesia?
Or that agriculture in a country like Pakistan with temperatures
around 50°c in summer would benefit from higher temperatures?


Monkey Clumps
17.01.2011 - 00:02
On Jan 16, 4:120pm, Tom P <werot...@freent.dd> wrote:
On 01/16/2011 06:04 PM, Monkey Clumps wrote:



> On Jan 15, 6:13 pm, Tom P<werot...@freent.dd> 0wrote:
>> On 01/15/2011 01:05 AM, Monkey Clumps wrote:

>>>http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

>>> Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to human=
s
>>> and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
>>> any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

>> The study is based on tree ring data which in turn is restricted to
>> Europe, a region characterized by a temperate climate.
>> 0 0You may be aware that only 5% of the world's population lives i=
n
>> Europe, so the conclusion that that warm periods are generally
>> beneficial to humans is invalid. 0Today over half the world's popula=
tion
>> lives in Asia.

>> T.

> Don't you think the same conclusions could be extended to Asia?
> Doesn't the obvious fact that frost destroys crops and warmer weather
> extends growing seasons make the benefits rather apparent? 0Or do you
> really want to make the argument that cooler periods are better? 0If
> so, I would love to see some evidence to support such a preposterous
> claim.

0 Are you seriously trying to suggest that frost damage is a threat to
the rice crop in countries like India or Bangladesh or Indonesia?
0 Or that agriculture in a country like Pakistan with temperatures
around 500c in summer would benefit from higher temperatures?

The warming periods tend to be far more pronounced at the poles and
temperate regions, so I doubt there would be much of a noticeable
impact in tropical areas. Anyway, there are plenty of crops that can
grow in heat, provided they have water. Do you have data that
indicates that warmer periods have been detrimental to civilizations
anywhere? If so, here is an opportunity to share it. Otherwise you
might need to admit that the lengthening of growing seasons in vast
parts of Europe, North America and Asia is most likely a good thing
for humanity overall. Grain from temperate regions is used as food
worldwide.

gordo
17.01.2011 - 00:05
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Monkey Clumps
<spacebrain71@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jan 15, 6:13 pm, Tom P <werot...@freent.dd> wrote:
On 01/15/2011 01:05 AM, Monkey Clumps wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/66zlshw

> Although the fact that warm periods are generally beneficial to humans
> and cool periods are not would seem to be obvious, good luck getting
> any of the AGW "chicken little" crowd to admit it.

The study is based on tree ring data which in turn is restricted to
Europe, a region characterized by a temperate climate.
  You may be aware that only 5% of the world's population lives in
Europe, so the conclusion that that warm periods are generally
beneficial to humans is invalid.  Today over half the world's population
lives in Asia.

T.

Don't you think the same conclusions could be extended to Asia?
Doesn't the obvious fact that frost destroys crops and warmer weather
extends growing seasons make the benefits rather apparent? Or do you
really want to make the argument that cooler periods are better? If
so, I would love to see some evidence to support such a preposterous
claim.
Frost does destroy crops along with floods,drought,wildfires and
pests.




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