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Harry Hope
06.08.2009 - 15:21

Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP


From The Associated Press, 8/5/09:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care_overhaul

Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

By BEN FELLER and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers

WAKARUSA, Ind. –

President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's determined to get an
overhaul of the health care system before the end of the year and, if
necessary, without bipartisan support.

_____________________________________________

Preferably without

Harry

Bert Hyman
06.08.2009 - 15:26
In news:46ml755vopo5l8fkcdl3q5ek3qqa2nfqgt@4ax.com Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

I think the word you wanted was "threatens."

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Bert Hyman   St. Paul, MN   bert@iphouse.com

Poetic Justice
06.08.2009 - 16:16
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/5/09:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_care_overhaul

Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

By BEN FELLER and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers

WAKARUSA, Ind. –

President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's determined to get an
overhaul of the health care system before the end of the year and, if
necessary, without bipartisan support.

_____________________________________________

Preferably without

Harry

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"rick++"
06.08.2009 - 17:52
Yeah!


Jim Higgins
06.08.2009 - 17:56
rick++ wrote:
Yeah!


About time to put finished to their sabotage.

--
Civis Romanus Sum


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06.08.2009 - 18:18
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"r wiley"
09.08.2009 - 18:50


In 2003 Obama supported HR676 which is a clear simple
universal health care plan. He said it would be enacted
when the Democrats took back the White House, the
House of Representatives and the Senate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?vpAyan1fXCE

The Democrats have the White House, the House of
Representatives, and a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate.
The Republicans are irrelevant.

Upon becoming a national player, Obama joined Nancy
Pelosi, Max Baucus, Steny Hoyer et. al. in taking millions
of dollars from insurance and pharmaceutical interests.
The 1,000 page so called "health care" bill currently in
Congress is the result. HR3200 combines all the worst
features of the Massachussetts plan and Hillary Care.
It is guaranteed to enrich insurance and pharmaceutical
interests on it's way to failure.

rw



freeisbest
09.08.2009 - 19:03
On Aug 6, 9:210am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/5/09:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_ca...

Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

By BEN FELLER and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers
WAKARUSA, Ind. 6

President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's determined to get
an overhaul of the health care system before the end of the year
and, if necessary, without bipartisan support.
_____________________________________________

Preferably without
Harry
_____________________________________________

All this is reminiscent of FDR' struggle to get his recovery plan
past the financial oligarchs of his time, and surprisingly, the AMA.
It is often pointed out that he had to trade his administration's
universal medical plan for the New Deal.
Is this resistance something basic in human beings who are in the
ascendancy? Do the current 'winners' fear competition from a healthy
and vigorous population that much? Are they protecting their young
from real competition?


No_He_Can_Not
09.08.2009 - 20:40
r wiley wrote:

In 2003 Obama supported HR676 which is a clear simple
universal health care plan. He said it would be enacted
when the Democrats took back the White House, the
House of Representatives and the Senate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?vpAyan1fXCE

The Democrats have the White House, the House of
Representatives, and a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate.
The Republicans are irrelevant.

Upon becoming a national player, Obama joined Nancy
Pelosi, Max Baucus, Steny Hoyer et. al. in taking millions
of dollars from insurance and pharmaceutical interests.
The 1,000 page so called "health care" bill currently in
Congress is the result. HR3200 combines all the worst
features of the Massachussetts plan and Hillary Care.
It is guaranteed to enrich insurance and pharmaceutical
interests on it's way to failure.

rw



I am afraid you must be reported to the white house for this " fishy "
post. How dare you act like an American and post something that reflects
your opinion on a politicians proposed plans.
The socialist regime will not tolerate any American attitudes or any non
Obama related opinions.
evidently you have been misguided into thinking that America is some
kind of democracy where you can just have an opinion that differs from
that of the liberals.
Are you one of them there Nazis that Pelosi " saw " ( she gets the good
stuff ) sporting swastikas at some town hall meetings ?

Rumpelstiltskin
09.08.2009 - 21:11
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:03:06 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
<demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Aug 6, 9:21 am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/5/09:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_ca...

> Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

By BEN FELLER and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers
WAKARUSA, Ind. –

> President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's determined to get
an overhaul of the health care system before the end of the year
> and, if necessary, without bipartisan support.
_____________________________________________

Preferably without
Harry
_____________________________________________

All this is reminiscent of FDR' struggle to get his recovery plan
past the financial oligarchs of his time, and surprisingly, the AMA.
It is often pointed out that he had to trade his administration's
universal medical plan for the New Deal.
Is this resistance something basic in human beings who are in the
ascendancy? Do the current 'winners' fear competition from a healthy
and vigorous population that much? Are they protecting their young
from real competition?


The biggest resistance comes from those who will or who
think they might lose money. Is there something new about
that?




freeisbest
10.08.2009 - 01:15
On Aug 9, 3:110pm, Rumpelstiltskin
<PleaseDoNotReplyByEm...@nowhere.net> wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:03:06 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest



<demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Aug 6, 9:210am, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> From The Associated Press, 8/5/09:
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090806/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_health_ca.=
..

> > Obama promises health overhaul with or without GOP

>> By BEN FELLER and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers
>> WAKARUSA, Ind. 6

> > President Barack Obama said Wednesday he's determined to get
>> an overhaul of the health care system before the end of the year
> > 0and, if necessary, without bipartisan support.
>> _____________________________________________

>> Preferably without
>> Harry
>_____________________________________________

> 0 All this is reminiscent of FDR' struggle to get his recovery plan
>past the financial oligarchs of his time, and surprisingly, the AMA.
>It is often pointed out that he had to trade his administration's
>universal medical plan for the New Deal.
> 0 0Is this resistance something basic in human beings who are in
the
>ascendancy? 0Do the current 'winners' fear competition from a healthy
>and vigorous population that much? 0Are they protecting their young
>from real competition?

0 0The biggest resistance comes from those who will or who
think they might lose money. 0Is there something new about
that?
------------------------------------------------
No, I guess not. But I was serious, even tho the suggestion is
sci-fi fanciful. History is stuffed with examples of middlin'-stupid
conquerors promoting the ascendancy of their even-stupider offspring,
so there's a starting point. It's easy to understand why they
reflexively grab and hold power and wealth. It's not so clear (to me)
why unpaid rightwingers willingly mount angry resistance to spending
any money on general health, public schools, or essential
infrastructure like roads and bridges, libraries, police, yadda
yadda. It's not a big leap to viewing this as a slightly more
sophisticated kind of great-ape behavior when the very dumbest groups
can be counted on to try to wipe out any rational approach to what are
after all simple shared-resource problems.
Otoh I'm cheered up by this thought: "Obama promises health
overhaul with or without GOP"

Rumpelstiltskin
10.08.2009 - 03:13
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:15:11 -0700 (PDT), freeisbest
<snip>


>    The biggest resistance comes from those who will or who
think they might lose money.  Is there something new about
> that?
------------------------------------------------
No, I guess not. But I was serious, even tho the suggestion is
sci-fi fanciful. History is stuffed with examples of middlin'-stupid
conquerors promoting the ascendancy of their even-stupider offspring,
so there's a starting point. It's easy to understand why they
reflexively grab and hold power and wealth. It's not so clear (to me)
why unpaid rightwingers willingly mount angry resistance to spending
any money on general health, public schools, or essential
infrastructure like roads and bridges, libraries, police, yadda
yadda. It's not a big leap to viewing this as a slightly more
sophisticated kind of great-ape behavior when the very dumbest groups
can be counted on to try to wipe out any rational approach to what are
after all simple shared-resource problems.


Easy, just talk about mom, apple pie, and America, and say
how the opposition hates mom, apple pie, and America. That
way you can steal a lot of people's underwear and they'll be
so fired up by your words that they won't even notice their
underwear has disappeared. If one has a talent for
manipulating people and no scruples, it's the way to go in
politics.

As old Abe noted, you can fool some people all of the time.

As to the apes, humans are slightly superior to orangutans
and chimpanzees in processing power, and humans have
the gift of speech and thence history and writing, so that
each generation can stand on the shoulders of its ancestors.
That's the only reason we're all not still scrabbling in the
ditches looking for grubs. The real progress of the human
race has been produced by a tiny minority of individuals.
Except for the single talent of speech, humans in general
really are not as different from the rest of the apes as they
like to think.


Otoh I'm cheered up by this thought: "Obama promises health
overhaul with or without GOP"


Whatever can be done, it will have to be done not
only without the GOP, but in spite of the GOP.





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