Have the DSS given us a contemporary definition of the word "Christ"?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/3281

Extract -
First, the Messiah of Israel was a subordinate figure. He was a
deputy
to the priestly Messiah, as is made plain in 1QSa 2: 11-22. The
priestly Messiah at the sacred meal blessed both the bread and the
wine, while the lay Messiah blessed only the bread. The bread element
was given to pre-initiates, and the wine element only to full
initiates, so it was the superior one, for the superior priest. This
is shown in 1QS 6: 13-23.

The Messiah of Israel was only one of three figures, a triarchy of
Priest, Prophet and King (1QS 9: 11, CD 14:19). It was part of the
revolution of Jesus that all three were combined into one, but until
that was accepted, the Christ, the Messiah of Israel, was only one of
an expected leadership of three.

That leadership would come in the near future, and the community
would
then continue to act in human social ways. The same document, 1QSa,
that contains the protocol for the two Messiahs, has rules for the
conduct of the community in the achrith hayyamim, "the Afterwards of
Days". Rules for the age of marriage are given, and for the duties of
priests and levites when they organise attendance at worship. The
meal
at which the Messiahs would be present follows exactly the procedure
of the nightly meal described in 1QS 6: 2-7.

It becomes clear that the great changing event producing the
Afterwards of Days was to be the fulfilment of calendar expectations,
the prophecy concerning the Restoration of the true Zadokite priest
and the true Davidite king. The passages on the Messiahs were a way
of
saying "at a time in the near future, the true government will come
back into power". The party containing the old aristocrats were now
in
opposition, nurturing the pretenders among themselves (1QH 16/8:10).
They were relying on the intervention of heaven, rather than an
election, to bring them back into power, but the result would be the
same.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/4428

"Monasteries existed from pre-Christian centuries, with scribal
schools such as
the one at Qumran. Men who had enclosed themselves in these
institutions
followed the profession of copying manuscripts. The Jewish monasteries
of the
Diaspora were in such contact with hellenistic thought that, when the
conflict
with Rome broke out, they chose the option of Christianity, which
retained the
theological content but abandoned Jewish identity. The institutions
continued,
now given new life by the introduction of Christian scriptures - an
innovation
for which Jesus himself was responsible in the post-crucifixion years.
The
scribes went on copying, now with new material. But their political
situation
was such that there were constant tensions about how to adapt the
original
ritual. As is known, they could come to blows and worse about the
shape of a
haircut or which holy days to observe. These were not ends in
themselves, but
reflections of history and culture - how near or how far they were
from the
original eastern culture in which they had been formed."

David Christainsen

On Oct 11, 3:240pm, Carl <pchristain...@yahoo.com> reposted:
<the same old shit>

Carl Kookenstin

On Oct 11, 3:390pm, Sir David <sirda...@mailinator.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:240pm, Carl <pchristain...@yahoo.com> reposted:



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Kindly shut up.

David Christainsen

crunch <pchristainsen@yahoo.com> 11/10/2009 21:44 wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:39 pm, Sir David <sirda...@mailinator.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 3:24 pm, Carl <pchristain...@yahoo.com> reposted:



<the same old shit>
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Kindly shut up.

David Christainsen

Fuck off with your 'Christ'
This is sci.archaeology.

"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristainsen@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/3281

Extract -
First, the Messiah of Israel was a subordinate figure. He was a
deputy
to the priestly Messiah, as is made plain in 1QSa 2: 11-22.

In what?

1 Samuel 2:11-22 And Elkanah went to Ramah to his house. And the child did
minister unto the LORD before Eli the priest. {12} Now the sons of Eli were
sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD. {13} And the priests' custom with
the people was, that, when any man offered sacrifice, the priest's servant
came, while the flesh was in seething, with a fleshhook of three teeth in
his hand; {14} And he struck it into the pan, or kettle, or caldron, or pot;
all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself. So they did
in Shiloh, unto all the Israelites that came thither. {15} Also before they
burnt the fat, the priest's servant came, and said to the man that
sacrificed, Give flesh to roast for the priest; for he will not have sodden
flesh of thee, but raw. {16} And if any man said unto him, Let them not fail
to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then
he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will
take it by force. {17} Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great
before the LORD: for men abhorred the offering of the LORD. {18} But Samuel
ministered before the LORD, being a child, girded with a linen ephod. {19}
Moreover his mother made him a little coat, and brought it to him from year
to year, when she came up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.
{20} And Eli blessed Elkanah and his wife, and said, The LORD give thee seed
of this woman for the loan which is lent to the LORD. And they went unto
their own home. {21} And the LORD visited Hannah, so that she conceived, and
bare three sons and two daughters. And the child Samuel grew before the
LORD. {22} Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all
Israel; and how they lay with the women that assembled at the door of the
tabernacle of the congregation.

I don't understand.

The following scripture saved my life:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse
you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use
you, and persecute you;

On Oct 12, 5:010am, Carl <pchristain...@yahoo.com> threatened:
I thought you were dead.

Veiled death threats. Yet more kooksign.

The koOkfOrce is strong with this one.

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:31:49 -0700, Rod <sparky@ymail.com> wrote:

duke wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristainsen@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/3281

Extract -
First, the Messiah of Israel was a subordinate figure. He was a
deputy
to the priestly Messiah, as is made plain in 1QSa 2: 11-22.

You are off topic, crunchy crap. I'll be taking the liberty from now
on of removing the groups you are spamming.

Who are you talking to?

In what?

The Dukester, American-American
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